It’ll be just as bad, NEH won’t suddenly disappear post-MWL and it is appearing to be very well positioned. Even if it wasn’t, going Supplier + Power Tap + other high cost nonsense is not good against glacier decks if your opponent can correctly adjust their tempo and speed up a bit.
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I thought it was easy to understand my terrible wording. I ment that if the meta tests slower post MWL, it could be fine. That said, it’s definatly worse than Nexus Kate.
My version plays compromised employee in place of Power tap. It’s the runner version of a glacier deck 
Currently toying with a Ken Express deck that tries to apply pressure by spreading runs accross centrals and remotes:
Ken “Express” Tenma: Disappeared Clone
Event (17)
3x Dirty Laundry
3x Early Bird
3x Inside Job
2x Recon
1x Retrieval Run ••
3x Special Order
2x The Maker’s Eye ••••
Hardware (4)
2x Doppelgänger
2x Public Terminal
Resource (10)
2x Bank Job
2x Enhanced Vision
1x Film Critic •
3x Same Old Thing
2x Security Testing
Icebreaker (10)
2x Corroder ••••
3x Faerie
1x Femme Fatale
2x Mimic ••
2x Passport
Program (4)
2x Nerve Agent ••••
2x Sneakdoor Beta
17 influence spent (max 17)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Old Hollywood
Doppleganger & Security Testing force the Corp to ICE everything.
Enhanced Vision surprised me, since a Security Testing run suddenly becomes a pseudo-hq acces. You know when HQ is ripe for a run and what types of ICE are coming.
Double tollbooth on remote is a problem tough. 
Currently, I use a lot of clicks to draw cards.
But with doppleganger and early bird I always have 2 or 3 clicks I can spend drawing or installing after a run.
What do you guys think?
[Is this the wrong part of the forum to post this?]
Always Be Running is a bit too expensive Influence wise, I think.
I’ve been testing stealth Andromeda post MWL too, I agree that you don’t need the 3 clocks but it does make the deck harder to pilot the less stealth pieces you have. Any chance you could share your list?
Yeah you can have my list, for sure.
Andromeda: Dispossessed Ristie
Event (15)
3x Account Siphon
2x Career Fair
2x Inside Job
2x Legwork
3x Special Order
3x Sure Gamble
Hardware (8)
3x Desperado
1x Plascrete Carapace
2x R&D Interface ••••
2x Silencer
Resource (14)
3x Daily Casts
2x Earthrise Hotel
3x Ghost Runner
1x John Masanori
1x Kati Jones
3x Security Testing
1x Symmetrical Visage
Icebreaker (6)
1x Breach
1x Corroder ••
1x Faerie
1x Refractor ••
2x Switchblade
Program (2)
2x Cloak ••••
The list has a fair bit of wiggle room in some ways, such as the utility events, and whether you like masanori or symmetrical or whatever else. Drive By should almost certainly be in there as a 1 of, like I said, maybe replacing the second inside job. Other than that I enjoy this list against a variety of decks, and as long as the program trashing is not in the form of batty, you are usually going to be fine. Shutdown can be annoying, especially having gone down to two cloaks, but the last time I had to worry about that I sacrificed silencers to it. Not for the faint of heart, losing parts of your rig can be killer (pardon the pun) with this deck, so putting pressure on early is still important, economic or otherwise
Guys, I installed and used Gingerbread last night and it was awesome! 3 x Faerie, 1 x Gingerboys, 1 x Femme might be a pretty acceptable sentry rig. Needs more testing. Oh yeah, it was out of Iain. Logos is good!
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[quote=“steve_houston, post:772, topic:4228, full:true”] I installed and used Gingerbread last night and it was awesome!
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I wasn’t entirely joking when I made this suggestion. Mimic + Gingerbread I think hits 90+% of the sentries in Netrunner, plus a handful code-gates. Gingerbread just isn’t super efficient at an average of 3 creds to break.
I guess relevant Ice that Gingerbread would be “ok” against are:
Assassin - 4
Ichi 1.0 + 2.0 - 5
Resistor (up to 2 tags) - 1
Archangel - 5
Viper - 4
Data Raven - 3
Gutenburg over R&D at 7 really really really sucks, but I guess if you need to steal that Quantum Predictive Model…or you could play a Dorm Computer instead…
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My Ken Tenma + Oracle May deck was completely unaffected by MWL, although that doesn’t mean it’s any better now than it was before. I’ve added Networking into it as a way to fight off all the Sync I’ve been facing lately, and it actually works pretty well since the deck cannot go tag-me at all. I’m looking forward to testing Mongoose as a replacement for Garrote.
Would you mind sharing your list? I’d love to take a look at it.
I think I’d rather just run a link card for most of that list.
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Link > GB. Gingerbread suffers from the data hound syndrome
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Dammit Steve! This was supposed to be my Iain deck SC surprise ;). GINGERBREAD OUT OF NOWHERE, WHAT!?
Breaking Ichi for 4 without having to worry about sucker tokens seems pretty good to me.
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The Oracle Express
Ken “Express” Tenma: Disappeared Clone (Honor and Profit)
Event (38)
3x Account Siphon (Core Set)
3x Dirty Laundry (Creation and Control)
3x Drive By (The Underway)
2x Déjà Vu (Core Set) [color=#FF4500]••••[/color]
3x Express Delivery (Honor and Profit)
3x Fisk Investment Seminar (The Universe of Tomorrow)
3x Hostage (Opening Moves)
3x Inside Job (Core Set)
3x Legwork (Honor and Profit)
1x Levy AR Lab Access (Creation and Control) [color=#32CD32]•••[/color]
2x Networking (Humanity’s Shadow)
1x Running Interference (Mala Tempora)
3x Special Order (Core Set)
1x Stimhack (Core Set) [color=#FF4500]•[/color]
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
1x The Maker’s Eye (Core Set) [color=#32CD32]••[/color]
Resource (4)
2x Oracle May (Honor and Profit) [color=#708090]••[/color]
2x Same Old Thing (Creation and Control)
Icebreaker (3)
1x Corroder (Core Set) [color=#FF4500]••[/color]
1x Garrote (True Colors)
1x Gordian Blade (Core Set) [color=#32CD32]•••[/color]
17 influence spent (max 17)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Universe of Tomorrow
Decklist published on NetrunnerDB.
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Is Express Delivery pulling its weight? It looks like it might not… Definitely looks like a sweet deck (And the name isn’t bad either.)
Express Delivery is very good for pulling the non-event cards out of the deck, and it’s better to see in the opening hand than Fisks if you don’t get May or Hostages. It’s a nuts-and-bolts kind of card in the deck, and I’d probably switch out the Fisks before Express Delivery, but if something more impactful comes out you could try replacing them.
FWIW, I’m still having an excellent time and getting a tonne of wins with DLR/GangSign/HQI Fisk. The group-think makes me think he can’t possibly be as good as he feels, but after a tonne of games, he’s remaining fun, surprising, and able to regularly force agenda flood like a boss.
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I’ve yet to be impressed by a Fisk, which is sad because I feel like there’s something there. I’ve only lost to one thus far, and all the wins have been really convincing. He just doesn’t feel powerful to me. Care to share what you’ve been working on?
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Out of curiosity, what does Fisk offer that Leela can’t do better? I was playing around with DLR Leela and played her in the ICE breaker Tournament at worlds where she did alright (3-2) despite it being pretty much my first time playing the deck. I had at least one straight up punt for instance.
Leela’s bounce with a bunch of mill gives you some really cool options against remote scoring decks that get a fast start and way more opportunities to land easy Siphons against pretty much everyone. Fisk lets you mill maybe a little faster I guess, but that doesn’t seem that relevant most games.
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