Data & Destiny Spoilers

New Cards and Spoilers
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I think Launch Campaign might be 3 to trash, but either way I can see uses for it outside the Ad ID (though we’ve heard that’ll be marginal anyway in comparison to the others, and with SYNC I’m tempted to assume the current ID is also true, which makes some things crazy).

Apex will likely get benefit from just having cards installed. Strangely, makes running 3-of things you only want one of out much better for him.

We already know a bunch of the cards Sunny gets benefit from, in addition to her being solid against traces which look like they’ll be everywhere. She’ll probably deserve the size, if only to make UWC less incredible for her (these words, so strange).

Jenkins seems like the best Exec but is still an Exec. Does more to protect herself, though, which is cool.

Surveillance Sweep makes it easy for the Corp to outspend you on Data Raven and the like, though, because they don’t risk credits. Or Troll, even. If you just spend up to break normally, they can spend 1. If you overspend, they don’t have to make the prediction. It’ll be great with Ash, but I think it’s good with basically any number of traces.

This is true for any trace you’d spend through, too. Did they advance that Shadow, or are they just running Caduceus? Well, how much are you willing to spend to avoid that tag? Do you want to bet Muckraker won’t tag you, and if so, how much? Is it safe to assume your Link lets you bypass that Caduceus or Data Raven or Checkpoint?

Dorm Computer is looking like a better and better choice.

And more BP removal for NBN, which makes me wonder if splashing more illicit cards might become a good idea for some of them. So long as you can land a tag, the All-Seeing I is either great BP removal or just painful, and if you don’t have the BP then it’s just potentially pain all day long for resource-heavy decks (which are making a comeback).

Aaand then Lily makes Tag-Me more of a risk, too. Augh!

[quote=“Andremodt, post:119, topic:3984, full:true”]
And luckily apex can’t have non-virtual resources, that ability + aesops would be so broken!
[/quote]Chop Bot is a viable splash, though, as hardware. Not QUITE as good, but…

[quote=“Xenasis, post:120, topic:3984”]
Note that Adam is a bioroid, so my thoughts is that it’s a similar rewrite of the “Three Laws” thematically.
[/quote]They note that he’s without the Third Directive, so seems likely to be the idea behind them.

Strangely, with them not taking deckslots, makes them potentially good sideboard-esque cards.

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Probably it was just funny for them thinking of a sentient heavy-metal looking network virus hangin’ out with Donut Taganes and placing money orders with Kati Jones.

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From the original board game.
Each one has a limitation/drawback and a bonus. He’s the first example of the HB click/action theme, for example.

What made this interesting was that his personal plots were a decision between keeping or rejecting one of the directives. That might be hard for Adam to capture.

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Can we talk about the all seeing I? Freelancer was already starting to look okay (had SnG not been released), this card…in this meta…

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Link is broken. Can you fix this?

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I was really disappointed to find out that the other side of Sync wasn’t Swym :frowning:

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I am just bothered by Adam being yellowy/brown and Sunny being Purple. It makes sense to me that Adam should be purple since he is a Bioroid.

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Something about Apex just feels right. I really like the flavor of it. I have no idea what to do with it, but it really speaks to me.

Btw, have I mention I am a software developer?

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Adam is clearly the Shaper of the bunch (in it for his own reasons), while Sunny is the not-criminal (in it for the money).

I’m a bit sad that the new runners map so neatly as variations on the existing factions - each of them is a neat idea for an independent runner, but together they look like variations on the factions we already have.

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Done. 10 char.

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It’s almost like the dev team likes to sucker punch us.

I disagree. Adam (what little we know about him) isn’t doing this just because he wants to (the Shaper ethos). Apex has some Anarch elements, but gone is the element of idealism and revolution. Also depends on how straight up destructive they make him. If they focus more on the infection/plague element then he’ll feel much less anarch.

Sunny is sorta an inverse criminal. Sure it’s her job, but she’s on the up and up. She’s not a exploitative jerk - at least from what we’ve seen.

Also - has anyone taken another look at the Kraken artwork? Not that close, but close enough to be interesting.

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The runner IDs are pretty interesting. 25 influence is a lot if there’s any useful runner cards at all in D&D.

Surveillance Sweep seems really terrifying. Maybe I’m overrating it. I think it might even make TMI good, for example. Data Raven is an almost bullet proof ETR on a 4 strength sentry for 4. Ash, just Ash.

I’m glad that FFG have decided that some of their previous cards were crap and need upgrading. I’m still not sure The All Seeing I will find a deckslot, but its existence is deeply terrifying. Cool preview. I’m excited.

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Each faction will only get 7 cards. That will force them to splash for a lot of tools, regardless of how good their in-faction cards are. I wonder of Adam’s directives will be outside of the normal card numbering sequence like the Jinteki IDs?

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7 cards is still a good amount. That’s a little under half the deck if you include them all, not counting stuff like Sure Gamble and other neutrals. Giving the gracious assumption 2 of the 7 mini faction cards will be bad on average, you would still have 15 of the deck accounted for, before neutral staples. But, 25 influence without a home faction gets eaten up FAST.

The quality of O&C was superb. Even if the Weyland cards didn’t really take off, they were fun and the Anarch design was amazing. I have high hopes for this big box.

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I like what I’m seeing here quite a lot. Very cool.

Theme wise, Apex is my absolute favourite runner. I don’t even care what his its deck size/influence are, I’ll be building an Apex deck.

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I’m hoping it shapes up like a ramp deck in magic, just constantly expanding into an unstoppable force. Just hopefully it has legs early game because hub still exists.

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Apex is referred to as “it” by FFG, and there’s no reason given to refer to Apex by male pronouns. I’d use “it”, as it’s gender neutral, but “they” also works, if you’re so inclined. Either way, assigning gender to something that’s genderless should be avoided.

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Would you have said this if he said she? :smirk: I think its fair for his imagination to imagine its a “he” Leave him alone.

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He’s a free/defective Bioroid though, and yellow is the opposite color to purple on the wheel.

[quote=“crossbrainedfool, post:131, topic:3984”]
Adam (what little we know about him) isn’t doing this just because he wants to (the Shaper ethos).
[/quote]Yeah, “compulsive hacker” is not quite Shaperly.

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Yes, I would. Why would that have changed anything?

I’m not trying to be nasty or aggressive or anything here, it probably wasn’t caught first on the read through of the release article and that’s okay! I’m not trying to judge them for that and it’s easy to miss. Apex is an “it”, not a he, not a she. There’s not really any imagining to be done: I’d be a bit uncomfortable with someone calling Noise “she” because they imagine Noise as female or something.

I don’t want to start an argument, but Apex is an it according to FFG, and I just wanted to clear that up!

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