if your next click is worth 2 credits, sure, not always the case though. also comes with the opportunity cost of not having a desperado on other turns
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if your next click is worth 2 credits
[/quote] With three steps it is always worth at least 2 credits.
if you make another run youâre breaking even with desperado on clicks/credits
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The âbestâ use of Three Steps is to make Three Runs that turn, or spend every other click running. Pretty obviously what itâs meant for.
Doppelganger: (4*2)+2=10 credits gained, including a use of Security Testing.
Desperado: (3*3)=2=11 credits gained, including a use of Security Testing.
Desperado gives you more money if youâre running more than once.
The big use for it in a Doppelganger deck is for the decks that run Quest Completed, I think, to subsidize their runs. TSA, Run 1, Doppel Run for 2, Run 3, QC. Nice and easy.
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Well to me it seems like a draw:
1 click to run Doppelgänger is better
2 clicks its a draw
3 desp is better.
I feel iâm more likely to run once than three times in which case Doppelgänger is better.
Also if you have double sec testing down Doppelgänger is amazing for a one click investment.
Against the new hotness, NEH, this is very strong.
You are of course right if i play 3 steps then im likely running 3 times. I guess i have digressed into a dopple vs desp argument here. I feel Doppelgänger has such fantastic potential.
It really does. Itâs just got to compete with the most broadly powerful console ability in the game. Itâs hard to incentivize Doppelganger in ways that donât benefit Desperado as well.
I donât think a single click is likely, but two clicks certainly is. As I said, would work well for Doppelganger+Quest Completed.
(Youâre also right about clicks, I went from âone runâ to âall other clicks runningâ without looking at the clickless run. I donât think itâs worth it for just one run, but with 2-3 it might be with Doppel, with the click saved.)
What about All Nighter? (I kid, I kid)
Does Enhanced Login Protocol combo with Heinlein Grid? Iâd presume youâd need to rez Heinlein Grid before they declared their run even if it does work as such.
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I donât think it does. They have to spend the extra click to initiate the run in the first place; itâs not being spent during the run.
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Turns out this oneâs right on top of us: The Spaces Between has a street date of August 14th, the same as the first day of US Nationals. Last year Opening Moves was at GenCon and they specifically updated the tournament rules to state it wouldnât be legal for that tournament; Iâm expecting something similar for Spaces Between, but just in case they donât (after all, Opening Moves was released something like two months early if you bought it at GenCon; this is the actual release date of TSB), I guess itâs a good time to figure out your thoughts on Currents.
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I canât find any evidence that this is true about last years gencon. There was a BGG tournament report from the winner where he mentions offhandedly that Jackson Howard would go straight into his corp deck.
If it is legal for the event, it would be complete bullshit, because everyone I know would have been playtesting noise for the event.
Hereâs last yearâs tournament rules (which I still had a copy of, thanks Dropbox), which were a last-minute update and state that cards are legal upon their release in North America, except that Opening Moves would not be legal at GenCon 2013.
For people who donât want to download a whole PDF:
All Android: Netrunner cards produced by Fantasy Flight Games are legal for sanctioned play (unless banned). No other cards or proxy cards are permitted. In North America, cards are legal upon their release. Competitors outside North America should check with their TO to determine which cards are tournament legal. Exception: Opening Moves will not be legal for the North American Championship tournament at Gen Con 2013.
The most recent version of this (version 1.5, updated 7/16/14) has the same wording except without the Opening Moves exception for obvious reasons. Because of the way this is worded, if they donât add an exception to disallow The Spaces Between, then itâs more than likely legal for Nationals because its release is that Thursday.
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Oh good, I just misread your post, I thought you were saying OM was legal.
Im going to continue operating under the assumption that no one will be using new cards at gencon.
If ffg wants to continue dickslaping me , and all of the other serious players with their bullshit, so be it - im definitely not buying TSIB⌠my entry fee is high enough.
For those of you keeping score at home, we are up to $114 to play in this event.
The Foundry will have an interesting impact on the expected values of runs. The chance to find an agenda during R&D runs is increased when the corp rezzed ICE, while a run on HQ will result in the opposite.
Another important bit about the ability is the built in defense against Indexing. You just have to keep one unrezzed ICE in front of R&D and a single Indexing is basically worthless. However, the runner certainly has new avenues of attack against this id. Just go after the servers except R&D and force the corp to rez ICE and suddenly a single Makerâs Eye can become incredibly powerful because the corp did the work for you, at least to a degree.
Overall I like The Foundry a lot, since it offers defenses against typical attack vectors of the runner, e.g. Indexing and Legwork. In addition the consistency to draw extra ICE is going to be very powerful against Parasite recursion. All that is left is multi access to R&D and Account Siphon, which you would have to address anyway.
[Edit: fixed a few spelling errors]
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And thatâs if you either live in Indy or go with the âsleep in your car/on the streetâ lodging planâŚ
If this shit is gonna be tourney legal, they had better have a big freaking stack of them (like, at least 128 tall) at the siteâŚ
I will have my prebuilt all-but-Cache Noise deck sleeved and ready to roll. Then I guess I just flip a coin whether to play that or a deck Iâve actually tested. 
Seems to me you gentlemen are panicking baselessly. Iâm going to go ahead and say that I firmly believe a new FAQ/Tournament Rules will come out before then, which will say that TSIB wonât be legal at GenCon.
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No cards that are released at #gencon2014 are legal in #ffg N.American Championships. This includes #androidnetrunner âThe Spaces Betweenâ.
Guess Iâll stop testing my Stronger Together/Heinlein Grid deck. 
Iâm wondering if Strongboxâd be playable with Heinlein grid. Itâs nice to provide another way in which their stealing an Agenda bankrupts them, but⌠much of the time in remotes theyâre spending most of their cash anyway. Perhaps over R&D, make random accesses more painful for them? Either way, not sure itâd be worth it, since Strongbox isnât all that strong usually⌠though I suppose if you were using Bioroids and click-stealers like Viper and Enigma they might still naturally be running out of clicks even if you donât see Heinlein.
I had the same idea, but the runner can just trash Heinlein before accessing anything else on the server.
some art
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