My question is whether it’s actually any good vs Kate. It’s obviously not BAD, but is it worth the slot? Kate is way better than Maxx at not giving a crap about losing recursion for a second. It seems like the kind of card that is mediocre unless you’re actually locking someone out.
No, just switch to Eater/Siphon maxx, it doesn’t have this problem
Pretty positive NEH Grail doesn’t run a Lotus Field, maybe you can just get the job done with Parasites? If you are not able to recur cards though that could be hard as well.
This was my fear. If Blacklist becomes the norm, the only real answer I can think of is packing an AI and using singularity so you can (usually) get rid of blacklist.
Even then, that won’t fit into this shell. It would be its own deck. Maybe an offshoot of EaterHole with a more stable economy that isn’t based off of siphons… so like a janky Reina-Headlock?
Netready eyes should help out slightly, but man do I want to start packing an AI just to get rid of Blacklist.
At 1 influence, I expect to see blacklist splashed in a lot of decks and for it to become a mainstay in NEH. Not only does it put the boots to MaxX, but it has some hate on Pre-Paid Kate, most Noise decks and really any shaper deck that leans heavily on clone chip or Levy.
Criminals that don’t count on recursion seem like one strong choice for regionals.
Yup. “Cards cannot leave the heap for any reason”. That includes shuffling them into your deck. So yeah, the just sit.
Well, we played the match several times and the deck just becomes a lot slower. If you see the Blacklist you have to trash it, and if you have a breaker in the bin you have to make getting it your priority. I think the main problem is that you can’t use parasite nearly as much or effectively since you need to use your clone chips right away to fetch out breakers if they land in the trash. I was never completely fucked by the card, but it forced me to move slowly enough that Niles was able to score 4-6 points by the time I was actually threatening his R&D. I failed to ever set up the full suite before it was too late. The grail threat with the Blacklist meant that I had to be set up pretty much fully before any run started on face down ICE Not knowing if you can or can’t parasite
On top of that, the econ in reg-Maxx is pretty click intensive (Kati and LA anyway), so I was finding it difficult to set up the breakers I needed through Blacklist and have enough money to make sustained runs and trash his San Sans / Blacklists if I ended up binning the imps.
The matchup doesn’t seem impossible or anything, but if they get a fast start, it looks a lot worse than it used to.
Eater + Singularity doesn’t and it hates on Ash pretty hardcore.
Account Siphon shenanigans do require recursion though and it has a rough match vs Blue Sun unless you get a lucky D4v1D.
Come on buddy, don’t rain on me raining on the parade.
Funny thing was after the games I found myself thinking “man I wish I HAD been playing Eaterhole”.
Eaterhole got slightly better with the new current too. Maybe its worth revisiting. If nothing else than to get some perspective on how far the meta has come since O&C.
The name or the deck?
We tested that a little too, and it’s certainly relevant especially when you play with the grail ICE. If they make a foolish run, you can kill them (I did that with Merlin for the first time ever when his Gordian was in the bin) or set them back 3 turns by blowing up their rig.
If they play it safe, it slows them down a lot in the setting up stage. If they are counting on CC to get back SMX to save them from whatever, they’re in for a bad time. If they play it slow and steady, they risk the NEH player scoring. If they clot, well, they just used one of their now precious SMCs and I plan on making it difficult for you to get that clot back. It also puts a hurt on Lady tokens if you manage to get a couple Galahads out since Blacklist stops scavenge. Overall, it’s noticeably less good against Kate than it is vs Maxx but that’s because it’s fantastic against Maxx and it’s still super relevant vs Kate. Crim is the only matchup where it might not pull it’s weight but it does stop SOT Legworks and Siphons. At the very least it draws a card and invites the runner to waste a click on checking.
Putting it behind a code gate can buy a lot of time against Calimsha Kate. But I think it’s only worth playing if you want to combat Clot.
edit: you can build a deck with Grails and stuff that can really mess with certain runners, but then when you play against not one of those runners your deck is a terrible pile.
This has been my experience with Reg-Ass as of late. I really hate how fidgety Kati and LA are when paired together. It always feels like Daily Casts is not getting me my money fast enough or it is gone too soon. Its been great vs glacier, which many people are playing, but I am having some troubles with it too.
I’ve found that Grail holds up well versus all matchups. It’s a pain for everyone, really. They need to make it worth the 9 inf investment and I think they’ve done so.
Grails are fine. I mean if you build your entire deck around the theme of using Blacklist to fight Calimsha Kate / Reg MaxX.
It’s really terribly important that you just never go broke. Reg ass has to sit back a lot of the time and just let shit go to ensure that econ stays good for the rest of the game. The fact that Medium dig pretty much trumps everything corps can do later is pretty important.
Also, grails kind of suck vs Reg Ass because of all the Parasiting.
Starting to hate blacklist more and more, from a card design perspective. The last time they printed a card with the possibility to 100% lock a runner out, at least it took so long to win games that nobody would ever bring it to a timed tournament.
I like it, but I also kind of wonder what Shaper and Anarch are “supposed to be doing” if recursion has gotten to the point that it warrants a hate card.
Shapers can run less off of recursion, but most Anarch decks are all about throwing stuff in the garbage and pulling it back.
It usually will only “lock out” MaxX, but it will slow down other runners quite a bit. Which really bites!
Its definitely the card I underestimated the most out of Breaker Bay.
All these hate cards are incredibly dull. “The runner cannot”, “The corp cannot.”
It’s like they’ve injected an overzealous referee into the cards themselves. Just let us play the game, thank you.