Is Beth Kilrain-Chang a Shaper autoinclude?

One year ago, most of us were complaining about “FFG printing too much toilet paper” though (© @mediohxcore).

People are never happy.

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Cards that are just better create very similar problems to cards that are just worse. It renders some of the cards unplayable. It’s more interesting because the game changes, but paperclip is a fraction better than corroder even if it didn’t have self.resurrect() in its list of abilities. Success (in my opinion, but we’re on the internet so that’s the only one that matters) is cards that are about as good, but different. I’m not saying it’s easy, but that’s what I want from FFG.

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As a Weyland player, I would take strictly better power creeping cards in a heartbeat.

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@MasterAir Paperclip will probably ends on MWL like Lady did. 4c for it would have been fair.
I’m almost sure this is the card that should have been MWLed on release. Since the card have been sold, Damon could tell now.

Anyway, this card, and maybe Black Orchestra, solve one of Anarch’s many gambling problems aka MWLed draw or just use trash draw with a clic 2c / clic instal recursivity solution “woops you trashed Déjà Vu gameover gg LOL”.

Temujin could be used in Crim decks to solve their inf problems : just play shit breakers, paying 2c less on each codegate = whatever, you’re a super rich golden boy now. Look at your inf then splash triple CC/IHW to get to your Syphujin even faster.

I don’t really know what are the other kill cards but if Beth gives one clic, then the corp can rez Janus. Not sure it’s better.

No. Lady’s problem wasn’t that it was better than Corroder. It’s that it was in Shaper, the faction specialising in decoders, not fracters.

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Lady also compounded the “Kate is the best Shaper ID” problem by being a powerful, in-faction, positive-cost, limited-use Program to recur with Clone Chip.

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It’s still there. Shapers are paying their meh breaker the least inf in all factions, if they want it to be Lady. But I guess other factions could use their dogs and they don’t.

I was thinking about Lady as a good card, not as a pie.
Lady str is 3, it should be 2. It have been designed on Inti, where the breaker patern should have been Corroder only so -1str and cost +1c at least aswell.
It’s not a matter of pie, it’s a matter of design. If you compare the other dogs to Gordian & Garotte, you would see the patterns.

Ppl would probably still play Paperclip if it were 5c, but there, some players would prefer Corroder, some not. At 4c, Paperclip = Corroder for 1st barrier. Then it’s better on barrier #2 or 3. At 5c, Paperclip is only better on barrier #4 or 5.
That’s because they forgot the install clic.
Its design is problematic as Desperado hides all crim console and probably will end on MWL for that.

This all depends on how many people only play 2 or less paperclips, and if corps can scrub it from the runners heap. The counterplay to paperclip is very behavioral, the runner isn’t just going to run into a barrier just to install it safely while you never advance a Chronos Project.

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Nobody plays more than 2 paperclips, and I think only anarch could play 2. Criminals certainly don’t have the influence.

So far this cycle:

Power creep

  • Paperclip is the new Gold standard for fractors.
  • Beth is an auto include for shaper (and Ive also enjoyed hostaging for her in criminal)
  • Temujin is auto include for criminal, and frankly you wont find many better ways to spend 2-6 influence in other factions also
  • Hard hitting news – massive enabler for yellow (and some green) in a post astro nerf world
  • Boom – its says 7 meat damage on the card compared to Scorched earths 4.

Good cards

  • Rumour mill changes the way corps play and deckbuild, and consequently is useful but isn’t auto-include
  • Sandburg would be broken as an upgrade but as an asset requiring a 2nd remote its fair
  • Prisec is interesting effect and totally fair
  • CtM is pretty good, but that more a reflection of the power creep from the Political assets in the last cycle
  • Enforcing loyalty – balanced by the trace
  • DNA tracker nothing wrong with good ice in a world where runners are richer than ever before
  • Smoke – shaper needed good IDs to break the Hayley/Kate stranglehold on the faction and promote diversity

A little power creep is no bad thing imo. The political assets in the last cycle really changed the game in a good way I think as we move away from the core set dominating the ‘power’ cards in the pool. 5 over powered cards in half a cycle is probably okay imo, especially as they should be replacing 5 cards in genesis in theory (although not in practice) but anymore would be problematic.

I can’t believe that this is all we’ve seen in this cycle. But we’ll find out!

10 per cycle would be ok?
we need good cards right and ultimately rotation will keep the pool of good cards limited and for anything else there is MWL/restrictions to keep it in check

How do you define Power creep? I’ve always thought of it as a new thing being strictly (or barring some non-relevant edge cases) better than an old thing. I don’t see how Beth, Temujin, HHN or Boom fit this definition - what’re the cards these are replacing? I’m thinking UWC, BankJob, …Midseasons? and Scorch, but each of those has a relevant upside compared to the new cards and/or they don’t fit the same strategy.

Paperclip in Anarch I can buy as almost strict power creep, though.

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indeed - I don’t think new powerful cards are necessarily a problem in moderation

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I don’t either, but you labeled those under Power Creep, which is why I was asking.

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Power creep can be understood in two ways.

The first is that new cards are better than old cards. This is fairly debatable though you could make the case for a handful of cards (Eg. Beth).

The second is that the power level of the whole game increases over time. This has happened in Netrunner and is inevitable as more cards are released.

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Because you can deckbuild for your exact needs now.
You wanted Sure Gamble when you only had Sure Gamble, now you’ve got the choice, you can optimize the cards you play with your needs and synergies that your deck have.

So this makes new play situations that need new tools.

If you take world 2013 winning decks (everybody can see those on Jinteki.net), beside MWL, they seems to be fine but slow. They would not win today.

In this situation, you also have power creep, because you play with a pool of +/- 1000 cards and you can optimize 5x better your deck than with a pool of 200 cards.

In the case of 23 seconds, taking MWL into account, I’m sorry but I only see Paperclip that have a problem today BUT this card also solves an important flaw all Anarchs have, with their nerfed draw and their nerfed recursion tools aka “here, have 56 spoons in your deck to remove the water of this bathtub”.

Anarch is the “batteries not included” faction.

So for one or two cards they got battery included people start to call that powercreep, well… Mkay but there’s a reason for that.

Well, if you can keep trashing paperclip, it does get expensive to keep reinstalling, and it’s not likely to get hit with heap removal. Also, Housekeeping gets better because of it. There’s ways to counter potential pretty creep problems in netrunner. That’s not the problem, it’s the lack of variety in tournament deck building I think.

I’m thinking about Aesoping it, with Scheherazade & stuff (Wastlelands, Tech Writers) :stuck_out_tongue:

It would take so many credits to make that worth it I feel. I mean, you could just play Cybsoft Macrodrive and Sahasrara and call it a day haha

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