Remote play is probably the most important thing against Kate. If you let her optimize all her ability/pad money, she will soon have enough to beat you.
In the end, this also come down to deck building to see whether you can provide that kind of pressure or not. It is your assets/upgrade that matters but not ice/operation (they can certainly help).
In the most extreme case, when you have ITD rezzed up. She even needs to click for credits instead of drawing for her econ because she has to go in and trash it now.
Anyone think Chronos Protocol will be good at hating PPVP Kate? Just the seeing the grip alone will let you make stronger remotes (or sigh wearily when you realise they can get in no matter what you do).
Nope. I think that whatever hate this throws at Kate, it throws worse hate at other IDs/factions. Whoeverâs hand you see youâre gonna know if they have the tools to get in.
Not to be dense, but isnât that awesome for the game? Itâs nice for a game to be winnable only be being better than the opponent, rather than having some kind of rock to their scissors.
Iâm pretty sure itâs still the best approach in that situation though. Unless you have Closed Accounts in your deck, waiting still makes that situation worse. That said itâs obviously not true 100% of the time, but was more an example to demonstrate my point.
There is actually a decent Kate hate card that I played with recently and just rememberedâTargeted Marketing. I was blessed with it in my starting hand and named PPVP. Caused some distress. Itâs a very fun card to try, works pretty well against any deck you come up against.
Actually IMHO that is a very big problem, especially if the âskill checkâ deck is fundamentally powerful.
My main reasoning is: If it canât be hated out it will be here till rotation. It will also be at relatively the same power level. This stifles the meta game for the runner side, and almost makes the corp meta not matter.
Now that I said that I donât think Prepaid Kate is immune to hate, its just that the right combination of meta, ID, and playstyle has not been found/printed yet.
Lastly I have the feeling that before the year is out Prepaid Kate will be like andysucker, or any other powerful deck from the past couple of years. It will still win but will not be as dominate as it feels right now.
i think 1k cuts jinteki is the direction i look if im hating kate specifically. deus ex is out of a lot of lists. her general access plan is makerâs eye/legwork only + camping the scoring remote. she wants to use her econ events and not hold them in her hand for protection and all the net damage can overwhelm the recursion. the lists that have pro con would be rougher but a lot of kate lists stick with the baby and dont go pro con.
when all else fails you can mushin and put kate to decisions that are not credit based and since you arenât looking for economic scoring windows you arenât bothered when she goes from zero to 9 credits in a turn when you thought you could score.
If killteki decks become popular again, all Kate need is to slot the deus X back.
I mean, the reason why Deus X got shafted was because Killteki decks (almost) disappeared from the tournament scene. If those decks start to make a splash again, Deus X will just be slotted back. Probably instead of a SMC.
I had a real bitch of a time with the HB matchup at Chicago regionals. Quick games, left me wondering what happened. I think maybe I should have been clicking through bioroids?
I was also having some success in testing playing GRNDL with 3 Snare! and 2 Fast Track and just not even icing centrals. If they were on 1 Indexing, I could generally Power Shutdown and fetch Agendas faster than she could draw or recur answers.
Buuuuuuut that deck went 1-5 against an Anarch field, soooooâŚ
I donât think naming PPVP against Kate is a good play, it just slows her a bit economically, which she can do. I prefer to name Test Run or whatever program she must find to get in
I played against a targeted marketing that named prepaid and it does slow you down a bit but then you just build up for a multi access run to kill it. The economy can still kick along without them. I think SMC would be better to name as you almost have to play it and just bite the 10c bullet at some point. Especially if there was some ice that punished face checking.
Since you know what ice those are, why not target the icebreaker that Kate gonna call via SMC to break your ice? I think most Kate use their SMC mainly for datasucker.
And I feel like targeted marketing is only useful when you get it before she gets her breakers, being able to target Lady before any Lady comes out would be fantastic.
but fitting 2-3 is too much of a commitment. I tested 2 targeted marketing against Kate a while ago in a BlueSun killing deck and was not impressed at all even with her entire decklist available to me.
