(Small correction: Rabbit Hole is 1 pip each.)
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I can see an argument for 2 over 3.
With Nexus and Rabbit Hole x2 you are at 5 link which means the corp has to spend money to stop your traces. The extra +1 is nice, but not as necessary, especially if you are also packing hopper.
Have we settled that Overmind is good with this yet? What breakers do you usually pack with this aside from her traditional breakers?
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Since striker is pretty bad, I’m running Yog as decoder. Security Chip and Nexus are enough to get trough high strength code gates.
Where does your draw come from? I can’t imagine ever getting to the third Levy with no draw acceleration - even assuming you get Bazaar+Replicator out before ever drawing a duplicate hardware, that’s … 38x3=114 clicks spent drawing 1 card at a time. If you assume sport hoppers are always popped, that drops it to 29x3=87 clicks, but that’s still just brutal.
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For myself, I’m not using Overmind because it’s good with Security Chip. I’m using Overmind because I always have a ton of memory free and it breaks everything relatively cheaply. (Except Swordsman/Turing, obviously.)
Honestly Security Chip is Sunny’s version of a Stimhack, because it lets her walk through a server, once. Nexus is Sunny Stealth Breakers, it lets her get into pretty much any server for way less than it should cost, but only once a turn.
Hadn’t seen the 2 Rabbit Hole argument before, it’s not bad. Though one of the advantages of Rabbit Hole is that it thins your deck so you’re playing with essentially a 48 card deck… Oh and if making the corp pay money to beat Nexus is good, making the corp pay more money is better. (I actually played against a Nexus Kate deck that I could beat her Nexus trace on critical turn with Sandburg Palana.)
I would only advocate 2 rabbit hole if you absolutely, positively needed that last influence. Otherwise, slot three.
Lack of testing has revealed a weakness! Yep, the deck definitely needs some Hotels.Maybe cut a Levy, add hotels and add career fairs.
What about Quality Time? You have a lot of duplicate uniques you don’t mind trashing, and once you get Bazaar on the table multiples of hardware can all install for 1 click. You still need to cut elsewhere to make room; I’d start with the Q-C chips, Overmind not withstanding. With all the Levys, you don’t need the extra counters.
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I still have no clue where the meta is with regards to FA right now; I used to be a fan of Halloween Party Sunny, and this list takes out The Source for The Supplier, along with a few other changes. I also wanted more additional link than just the one Access to Globalsec. Sports Hopper is pretty decent with The Supplier, but costly without it, unless you also need the damage protection. With The Supplier, it’s also decent enough card draw.
Ultimately, what I really like about this list is the City Hall - Film Critic interaction, and how City Hall protects you against Breaking News bullshit. You probably can take those cards out of the OCA shell and still come up with a good deck.
Sunny Lebeau: Security Specialist (Data and Destiny)
Event (6)
2x Calling in Favors (Honor and Profit) [color=#4169E1]●●[/color]
1x Hostage (Opening Moves) [color=#4169E1]●●[/color]
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
Hardware (7)
2x Security Chip (Data and Destiny)
2x Security Nexus (Data and Destiny)
3x Sports Hopper (Salsette Island)
Resource (31)
3x Daily Casts (Creation and Control)
1x Data Folding (Order and Chaos)
3x Earthrise Hotel (The Source)
2x Fall Guy (Double Time) [color=#4169E1]●●[/color]
2x Film Critic (Old Hollywood) [color=#32CD32]●●[/color]
1x Globalsec Security Clearance (Data and Destiny)
2x Jak Sinclair (Data and Destiny)
2x Kati Jones (Humanity’s Shadow)
2x New Angeles City Hall (Future Proof)
3x Off-Campus Apartment (Breaker Bay) [color=#FF4500]●●●[/color]
2x Scrubber (A Study in Static) [color=#FF4500]●●[/color]
1x Street Peddler (The Underway) [color=#FF4500]●[/color]
1x Symmetrical Visage (The Valley)
2x The Supplier (First Contact) [color=#4169E1]●●●●[/color]
1x The Turning Wheel (The Liberated Mind) [color=#708090]●[/color]
3x Underworld Contact (A Study in Static)
Icebreaker (6)
2x Faust (The Underway) [color=#FF4500]☆☆●●●●[/color]
2x GS Sherman M3 (Data and Destiny)
1x GS Shrike M2 (Data and Destiny)
1x GS Striker M1 (Data and Destiny)
23 influence spent (max 25-2☆=23, available 0)
50 cards (min 50)
Cards up to The Liberated Mind
Deck built on NetrunnerDB.
Mild update from me: I’ve swapped a Diesel for The Source. (I’d noticed that once I get ProCo out, Diesel/QT/Hoppers are rarely used for the card draw.)
My current hangup on Sunny is that I don’t see any way for her to beat CI.
Here’s my comments, in order as I go down the decklist:
“Calling in Favors? Odd choice for Econ…”
"… One Hostage? Please don’t have multiples of any Connections that are unique…"
“Fine, fine… Eh, 2 Chips is a little odd… Fine…”
“Oh wow that’s a lot of resources. Hm.”
“I do like Daily Casts, it’s sort of a compressed version of Data Folding that runs out, especially good off Supplier. I usually run out of deckslots before I can include them.”
“1 Data Folding is… Very unusual. I wonder if he’s actually using his memory?”
“Earthrise is an acceptable plan. I didn’t see Career Fair, so I’m expecting to see a Supplier later on…”
“2 Fall Guy? … What? Are there Tech Traders in the list…? Or maybe it’s an OCA list that needs to protect the OCA. Yeah that probably makes sense with the Hostage/Calling in Favors…”
“2 Film Critic is fine. Perhaps greedy, but fine. (Once Sunny actually starts running and getting agendas, she usually has plenty of clicks to spare to pull them off the critics.)”
“1 Globalsec I’ve been finding is standard it seems. Same with two Jak. And 2 Kati. 2 NACH? All in on the NACH/Film Critic I see…”
“Ah, OCA. That explains the Fall Guys.”
“And because of OCA, we can run Scrubbers. I like this choice; Sunny sometimes has problems trashing the assets of Corps…”
“Peddler, ok. I’ve talked about my thoughts on it…”
“Visage is fine, and a good substitute if you aren’t running Proco.”
“Argh, two suppliers! Take one out and replace it with a Hostage!”
“One Wheel is fine.”
“Wow, I’m really surprised to see 3 UWC in a Sunny deck… 
”
“FAUST!!! NO. NO NO NO. AAAAAHHHHHH. Oh god, now I realize he hadn’t used much influence yet… Yikes…”
As a whole; deck seems intriguing. NACH+Film Critic is pretty obviously what you’re running towards. I talked about Street Peddler before, and some of the same Cons with it apply to Faust: What are you pitching to Faust? Extra Kati/Jak/NACH/OCA/Film Critic. And then what? Presumably you’re switching to SunnyBreakers after you’ve pitched the few expendable cards you have, but I’m pretty sure your econ can’t keep up with them, not for 1 run/turn at least. Kati helps with that, I suppose. Also, with the only Draw you have being Visage+3xEarthrise, (OCA replaces cards you play, it doesn’t exactly provide extra cards for running, usually.) I don’t see you having a ton of fuel for Faust to do his work. The main problem being 0 Levy. Which, as I’d mentioned, is why I assume you’ll be swapping to SunnyBreakers before your deck is empty.
I don’t feel that Faust is a bad choice for Sunny, period, but it doesn’t fit her style. It does shore up the early running weakness, at the expense of making it even harder for you to set up. It feels to me like what happened for a brief period, where decks were 'Bad Cards + Faust" because then you can just install Faust and pitch those bad cards to him to go through servers. (Not saying that’s what this particular one is, just that the list reminds me of those decks.)
Final thought I have is that you have only the Hoppers and the Nexus giving you Link, so it might be difficult to get to the 5 Link needed to force the Corp to spend money to beat your nexus trace.
Here’s what I’m rocking currently. I used to play the OCA build (without Faust) but it felt a bit too reliant on the 1) drawing the OCA and 2) keeping the OCA alive until you assemble all of the pieces
Mostly tuned for the asset heavy meta with some burst econ and 2x Paricia as the tech slots. If I had a slot, I would throw in the third one. Then again, would be plops if there was more glacier around. Other loose influence are the 4 pips in Lucky Finds. Just couldn’t come up with a better idea for this econ slot. The deck builds at a decent speed (just click to draw a lot) and walks over any tracers, obviously. Late game Sunny is late game Sunny.
Before this list I ran one with Blackmail and Corporate Scandal to hose rush plays. Otherwise it was mostly the same list, except it had Mopus instead of Power Taps for late game econ. Power Tap juts punishes trace ICE so heavily, and in this deck they’re more or less at least another 3 Underworld Contacts.
The Blackmail tech was decent but it doesn’t feel necessary these days.
It’s Always Sunny in Paricia
Sunny Lebeau: Security Specialist
Event (10)
2x Career Fair ●●
3x Diesel ●●●●● ●
2x Lucky Find ●●●●
3x Sure Gamble
Hardware (7)
2x Security Chip
3x Security Nexus
2x Sports Hopper
Resource (25)
2x Access to Globalsec
3x Daily Casts
2x Data Folding
3x Earthrise Hotel
2x Film Critic ●●
1x Globalsec Security Clearance
2x Jak Sinclair
2x New Angeles City Hall
3x Power Tap ●●●
2x The Turning Wheel ●●
3x Underworld Contact
Icebreaker (6)
2x GS Sherman M3
2x GS Shrike M2
2x ZU.13 Key Master ●●●●
Program (2)
2x Paricia ●●
25 influence spent (max 25, available 0)
50 cards (min 50)
Cards up to The Liberated Mind
Deck built on https://netrunnerdb.com.
It seems like you pretty much have to run some kind of AI breaker to get in early with Sunny.
Unfortunately, we have Overmind and Crypsis as stop gaps, which are kind of funky. Overmind is fine most of the time, especially if you can pack some extra mu in there.
It really is a shame that you cannot really pull off a stimshop deal with Sunny. It would solve so many of her problems.
Do you really though? Playing an AI breaker and using it is such a tempo hit that it just sets you back more than letting the corp score one or two agendas. Now that Astro is out of the picture, there aren’t many agenda scores that can close you out of the game (Nisei being one I that can think of).
I think playing a third Sherman would be almost as good as playing an AI breaker. Replacing Striker with Zu also helps contesting rush plays.
I mean without AI you probably lose to the rushiest corp decks out there, but I think you’ll lose those games even if you have AI because the setback is real.
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Yeah.
It’s really a shame Aghora wasn’t rez cost 4 or more. Otherwise it would be pretty good in Sunny.
It sounds like you don’t know the original list; it has a pretty detailed write up, so here you go:
The second list is the one that actually won a store championship and runs NACH.
There are a bunch of leftover card choices in my deck from it originally running The Source. But to go with your commentary:
1 Hostage, 2 Suppliers: Hostage is a bit more expensive than drawing into the connection you want, and I really don’t like running one-ofs of key cards, due to damage or tags before I’m set up. With Faust, you always have a use for duplicates.
You don’t use Daily Casts? There isn’t a whole lot of influence-free econ to choose from, and DC is a staple econ card.
I’m not a huge fan of Data Folding. The original list had two, I replaced one with Visage. If I see it early, it’s less of a tempo hit for almost the same effect. If I see it so late that I don’t want to install it, I probably wouldn’t want to install Data Folding at that point either.
Original list had two Peddlers, but you run the risk of having two one-of cards stuck on it, or a card you really want now, and a one-of you can’t replace later. But Peddler is a good speed card.
I’m not married to Faust in Sunny (or elsewhere), but there’s a reason it got played and still gets played after the new MWL. Faust lets you threaten remotes with a single install, and no credit cost to operate. It doesn’t slow down you set up, it gives you the breathing room you need. Yeah, it’s not supposed to be your permanent breaker, hence this list doesn’t run Levy, but by the time you run out of deck, you’ve got all your permanent econ and breakers installed.
Lastly, I do agree with the original list that 4 link is plenty; You can only use Nexus once per turn, after all. I can get more link from the Hoppers, but they can also fuel Faust if I need them to. Link is nice, but a little marginal unless you can get it both influence-free, and with additional useful effects.
I do want to preface first and say I’m sorry if I’m coming across as a know-it-all or like I’m personally insulting the deck. I’m not. Just putting forth my honest opinions and reads on cards to try and get down to the meat: How Do We Make Sunny (More) Awesome?
I hadn’t read the original write-up. I read it just now, and honestly it looks like he discounted 2inf options for draw really quickly (ProCo) and forced an OCA build. I’ve seen @higgs_bozo around, and we cool. Mmm, trying to make Cybernetics Division work… Heh. Anyway. I do agree with the analysis of the 1-inf options. Drug Dealer isn’t where Sunny wants to be I think, because as he said, unlike some decks, Sunny needs cards and money. QT has the same sort of issue, where the cost of the card is real, and also runs into the redundancy issue, where Sunny needs most, if not all, of her cards to function, and can’t usually afford to pitch extras. Out of the 1-inf options, OCA is the best to build around, with QT being second-place I feel.
I like the argument for 2 Suppliers. It also makes more sense with Faust. I still prefer Hostages instead because no matter when I draw a Hostage, it’s always a useful card. 3 Hostage + 1 Supplier also gives the maximum chance I see Supplier on turn 1, while only spending 8 influence. The damage problem is real. Tags… If you get tagged and have a Supplier, you’re probably already hosed.
I do not in fact use Daily Casts, because it’s slow econ. The same reason is behind not using Kati. Daily Casts costs a click, and then makes you 1cr in two turns, maxing out at making 5 money in 4 turns, or 7 money in 5 turns if you put it on a Supplier. The only decks I use Daily Casts in now are decks that have Aesop’s Pawnshop or Career Fair. Both of those cards speed up the rate of return. Data Folding, if put on Supplier, takes 3 turns to make a credit, and in five turns makes 3 credits. The reason I still play them instead of Daily Casts, is because there’s no upper limit. As long as Data Folding is on the board for 4 turns, it’s making profit, and if it’s on the board for 10 turns its made more than Daily Casts ever could. The counter argument to this is that why are you playing games that take 10 turns? The answer: Sunny. Sunny is incapable of ending a game before 10 turns have gone by unless you’re exceedingly lucky or the Corp is exceedingly bad. This is why NEH Fastro wrecked her so badly.
(Speaking of Kati. In 9 turns, if you store/store/take which most consider to be minimum efficiency for Kati, you’ll make 16 total. And have spent 9 clicks. Compared to Data Folding, you spent 9 clicks and made 9 credits more. So at Kati’s minimum efficiency standard, it performs worse than Data Folding. The actual problem with Kati is that she doesn’t give you money each turn, and Sunny wants to reach a point where she can afford at least one run a turn.)
I agree, Peddler is good speed, and I think that if you play OCA + Faust, Peddler is acceptable. The reason there is that if you play OCA + Faust, Peddler’s value as a speed card is maxed out, and since you’re playing Faust, you shouldn’t care about losing any two cards that it could hit. One of the reasons I’ve moved away from Peddler is that I’ve found that I can set up and still have 15+ cards left in my deck, as long as I can search my deck for what I need. Sunny doesn’t need to draw All of her cards, she needs to draw Nexus, her breakers, and UWC’s (and any other drip/recurring econ to be able to use her suite to get into One server each turn.)
Faust is Faust. I agree it lets you threaten remotes with a single install, but I contend that’s not what Sunny is trying to really do. I feel Sunny is similar to an Iain build, where you’re going to lose the early game, so we’re trying to make sure that we crush the lategame instead, and make sure we can get to that lategame. I feel Faust does slow down your setup, by a bare minimum of a click and 3 credits’ worth, and more likely, since you’re clicking to draw, by one click for every card used on Faust. Slightly less than that, due to OCA, but it’s a comparison to be made. I do like that it lets you use your cards instead of your money, but I’m still thinking that might be the wrong way to go? Just because we can, doesn’t mean we should.
With Sandburg, Corps hoard more money. They can afford to beat one Nexus trace, at least. Having higher Link (and Power Tap) makes it hurt more when they do it. I think that’s the main reason I still like LinkSpam Sunny, because if I can’t get in, then I’ve at least made all your ice -1 Strength if you keep me out.
I do think that this is a good OCA Sunny deck. I’m just not sure that’s it’s the best Sunny deck.
What would you replace the Daily Casts with? Sunny needs so much money up front, I’ve found that card invaluable in the first 10 turns. Once you have the whole Congress package up and running it’s kind of a dead draw, but until then it plugs a real hole for zero influence.
For context, here’s my current build. I’m not wild about the Fall Guys, but they allow some breathing room in case a Breaking News slips through while you have a fully loaded Supplier.
Trace me if you can
Sunny Lebeau: Security Specialist (Data and Destiny)
Event (12)
- 1x Another Day, Another Paycheck (23 Seconds)
- 3x Dirty Laundry (Creation and Control)
- 3x Hostage (Opening Moves) ●●●●● ●
- 2x Special Order (Core Set) ●●●●
- 3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
Hardware (11)
- 3x Rabbit Hole (Core Set) ●●●
- 3x Security Chip (Data and Destiny)
- 2x Security Nexus (Data and Destiny)
- 3x Sports Hopper (Salsette Island)
Resource (18)
- 3x Daily Casts (Creation and Control)
- 3x Data Folding (Order and Chaos)
- 2x Fall Guy (Double Time) ●●
- 1x Globalsec Security Clearance (Data and Destiny)
- 2x Jak Sinclair (Data and Destiny)
- 1x Professional Contacts (Creation and Control) ●●
- 1x The Supplier (First Contact) ●●
- 2x The Turning Wheel (The Liberated Mind) ●●
- 3x Underworld Contact (A Study in Static)
Icebreaker (7)
- 2x GS Sherman M3 (Data and Destiny)
- 2x GS Shrike M2 (Data and Destiny)
- 2x GS Striker M1 (Data and Destiny)
- 1x Yog.0 (Core Set) ☆●
Program (2)
- 2x Datasucker (Core Set) ●●
24 influence spent (max 25-1☆=24, available 0)
50 cards (min 50)
Cards up to 23 Seconds
Deck built on NetrunnerDB.
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Power Tap.
It’s not influence free, though, so Daily Casts is better there. I sorta think that Drip Econ > Sure Gamble > Dirty Laundry > Visage > Daily Casts = Kati.
I’ve found, in playing with Hostage/Supplier/Proco, that Proco solves Sunny’s draw problem adequately, and Supplier solves her money problem. Like, to the point where if I have a Supplier and not Proco, I can play anything I draw. If I have Proco and not Supplier, I can’t play anything I draw, but I can draw everything I want.
I don’t use Laundry, Casts, or the Datasucker/Yog (which I really like btw… Might have to look into that.) I do use Diesel instead of Special Order (I had two inf laying around so upgraded QT into Diesel. If I’m having draw problems, I don’t have Proco, so I need my money.)
I’m also still a crazy LinkSpammer and still have the Dysons in the deck. They’re definitely the weakest card in the deck, though. As soon as people give up on Trace ICE I might take em out. I’ve also been toying with the idea of pulling ProCo and putting in Visage, but that takes up some room…
I like that deck, though. How do you deal with CI?
Isn’t straight out better to just replace Dysons with Access to Globalsec? Costs 2 less and the MU from Dyson does nothing. I’ts not very likely the corp is gonna go wild trashing them either. Rabbit Hole probably even better if you have the influence, although having to pay 6 when you need to get the first on out of your hand feels heavy.
Anyway, as soon as this trace madness goes away, I’m definitely cutting any excess link. 5 is plenty, 4 is decent and even 3 can be worked with.
I’m not sold on this Supplier thing. For me it feels a bit clunky, and often when I’m not pressured to run anything the turns are just draw 2 play 2, and there Supplier would just benefit for one of those. I haven’t tried it though, so I guess I’ll have to take your word for it until I do.
I also feel like you need either Scrubber or Paricia right now to have any game against asset spam decks.
I run Overmind in my list, so Dyson is better than Access. Marginally better. To an extent, I feel like I’m clinging to them because if I run against PE or other damage deck, I have a card that’s definitely one of the worst in my deck that I can just Not Install and use as hitpoints.
I think I said it elsewhere, but I’m still loving having ridiculous link, in the Sandburg era where corps stockpile a ton of money, they can actually afford to beat ONE of your Nexus traces, so forcing them to spend as much as possible makes me feel all tingly inside. I just wish there were more opportunities for traces. (I don’t like Sunny’s current, because I prefer Freedom Through Equality. I’d rather win the game instead of get more money to win the game in a bit.)
It becomes easier to look at Supplier as being a Magnum Opus. Every click you use for him gives you 2 credits. He’s similar to a Street Peddler; A click gives you an install and two credits. Peddler’s click gives you an install, a credit, and a ‘draw three, discard two’ effect.
I do like Scrubber/Paricia… Though, for me, I make enough money with Congress package that I can trash things easily if they’re putting them out naked. And, I also run a PolOp because Sandburg/Caprice. (Not for Ash, because, again, my link is Ludicrous Speed.)
My current issue is that I cannot find a way to beat CI, which is the new Fast Deck On The Block. (Well, more like the deck that crushes you if you didn’t win in the first 8 turns, which I said earlier, Sunny has a hard time doing…)