I think I actually prefer playing against NEH to playing against RP.
definitely
I do enjoy to play with and against NEH.
Way more than playing against Glacier anyway.
I hated playing against astrobiotics when it was just ok in TWIY and I hate it even more now that I lose to it more. Any NBN deck without Biotic Labor is great fun to play against though.
Yeah agreed. I think the game becomes a farce any time Fastro NEH is played.
I donāt think itās a farce, and I donāt even think itās bad form to play it. Everyone takes beef with playing against something, and itās no oneās job to make sure their opponents like their deck or not. I, personally, just dislike playing against NEH. I feel like too many games come down to coin flips. Itās not like itās a no-skill game or anything, itās just that the best you can do against it largely depends on how fast they happen to put together Biotic + Astro and then how good you are at random accesses after that. Some games, you canāt expect to get more than 30% against an average player just because of how they drew. Personally, I think that a great player is better off not playing NEH in most cases, because it can just lose to a slow draw.
The frustrating thing to me is feeling like I played a game really well and still lost, and there wasnāt a lot I could have done about it. I prefer playing a game where it lasts a long time, I have to make tough choices, and outplaying your opponent is rewarded with a win a very large percentage of the time.
But Iāll reiterate: everyone should play whatever they want.
I like playing against NEH except when it affects my ELO
The above situation is exactly what I meant about the game becoming a farce. Knowing that you played a game nigh perfectly and still not coming away with a win a lot of the time is just terrible.
However, to each their own.
Well, for the league games, sometimes (always for me) you play late in the night, tired after work. You play the difficult and brain taxing runner and then you have to play something quick, strong and not so brain taxing since the decisions in a quick game are less. You play neh for that.
Also, fast active decks with risk taking are more my style than glacier builds. Taxman by mediohcore was probably the best NBN to play for me, something that combined both sides.
And please, no rp. Elp and rp just make me sad and are also a farce;-)
Iām sure everyone can easily play 6-8 hours of OCTGN ANR every day, no problem!
This is exactly how I feel when playing against glaciers (especially with 8 or less agenda totals). Whiffing a 5-card RnD dig and then whiffing a 3-card HQ dig sorta makes a person go āfuck this, why do I botherā. Then the game takes another 30 minutes to close with the agendas you keep miraculously missing.
Thereās an argument that says if you believe you are the better player, you probably want the game to go longer, and youāll more opportunities to execute superior decision making to your opponent and take the win.
So itās all very well you saying that, while for a lot of people playing against you, theyāre happy to lean on the variance of NEH.
I played about 30 games with RP. It was fine, but everyone started to tech up against it (those Switchblade) so I changed to my GFās non-biotics NEH and itās been very refreshing. Good old Netrunner, making agendas behind Wraparound and Quandary.
Anyone would think we were playing a game that was fundementally about randomly picking cards off the top of a deck or something .
(I feel your pain though, having had that happen to me twice against NEH at the weekend and then playing glacier watching the runner pick five points out of R&D on turn 2)
Who doesnāt :-P?
Anyway, draft is IMHO what the game should feel like, especially a well constructed, repeatedly played cube draft.
Itās exactly the same when you whiff 5-6 time the psi-game on TFP.
How itās outplaying your opponent when it comes to a couple of dice roll to steal an agenda ?
Everytime iām playing against RP, it comes down on how I can steal a TFP on a central. If Iām able to steal one, itās almost certain Iām gonna win. If I donāt, the game is pretty much over for me because iāve to steal at least 2 NAPD to win against a taxing deck. Honestly, how itās not random ? Where is the skill when it come down to a dice roll when both players are swimming in creds ? Tell me, man.
Glacier is about inevitability, which is IMO bad for games in general. If you miss early, youāre less and less likely to win over time. So far, that isnāt true of even NEH fastro: it is always possible that the game will swing back with a couple quick runs (since it is actually possible for most every deck to hit R&D, say, multiple times vs. porous-ice NBN). I wonāt belabor my litany of game design issues with glacier archetypes, since I think Iāve harped on about it enough.
Netrunner isnāt interesting enough for me to want to stick with it for a long game very often. Long games too often boil down to drawing well and pretty simple math.
The trick is to always win psi games. I honestly feel like I would be significantly worse at netrunner if I had to randomize psi.
In all honesty, though, youāre mostly right.
Remember that before Caprice, most runner decks had inevitability against a typical glacier.
Even with Caprice, glacier decks can really only exist in a metagame where people are mostly having to build against fast decks requiring many central accesses early.
Itās only true if the runner isnāt randomizing his psi as well. And if the amount of creds doesnāt really matters when the psi-games occurs (and in all honesty, it shouldnāt in the RP Matchup : Stealing a TFP is most of the time game winning) it ultimately come down to a random bet, whether. you roll a dice or not as a corp.
Praying for your opponent to not put the same bet as you isnāt outskilling him, if you want my opinion.