I can’t see how NBN can be wrecked by any means by a NoiseCache deck.
If you play on autopilot and try to ride your astrotrain or FA all your agenda, sure you will probably lose. But noise is REALLY bad against remote rush and you can probably let your HQ open the entire game (or poorly protected) without suffering consequence.
Yeah he mentioned it cause we had discussed your deck earlier. I wanted to try it out myself, since you would think all that recursion/virus hate would be strong. But nope. Have to test more, scary if I’d face him in regionals. He always gets perfect draw/access and runs me over when I face him in tournaments. I call him mr 1/5 
@parasitetwin
This sounds reasonable, we are going to play quite a bit this week so I’ll try it out. Going to try a more standard biotic build with architect and elis, and a lotus field. Less prone to instaparasite and d4v1d. But fwiw I’m 5-0 in Shl4 with @apeasylum build, vs reina headlock, kate clot ppvp and ds/parasite andy
Disagree on HQ. Lamprey will be a huge pain in the ass if you do.
I think ApeAsylum’s build is worryingly one-dimensional against Kate. It lives and dies on that first Astro scored, and on the clot guessing game. I mean, I guess that’s what you need to beat Clot-Kate, but I just feel it’s a bit too high variance for my tastes.
Lamprey isn’t even that common in Noise, I feel. If you suspect lamprey, a single popup on HQ should be enough.
Maybe it’s because I play and watch @Dragar all the time, but this doesn’t match my experience. Noise has a lot of toys to punish you for being too singleminded on anything. I’m not saying it’s a good matchup for Noise, but it isn’t a roflstomp for NEH either. Maybe 45/55 in NBNs favour. I think at Oxford regional @Dragar was 2-0 vs NBN in Swiss. I don’t know what happened in elims.
My own experience playing various kind of fast/rush deck is that noise can usually let the corp score 2 agendas in a 2 deep remote early on because he has no tools against that. If one (if not both) of those two agendas are astroscript, it’s usually means noise have to play from far behind and be really lucky on his mill to win this matchup.
I don’t disagree that that’s a good plan but I think it’ll bite you 1/3 games because of some combination of d4v1d, parasite, knight, mimic, corroder or crypsis.
A single enigma + Wraparound server will score you one agenda against noise, probably 2 if you are savvy on how you rez your ice. And being able to score multiples agendas on a 66% basis against noise is something I call acceptable. You have to take the risk when you play rush anyway. Playing too conservative will just lose you the game in this matchup. Worst case scenario, you could just try to score a NAPD in your remote as the second agenda you are trying to rush : forcing the runner to install 2 programs, lose creds on the run and then lose cred by stealing NAPD is usually enough to open some other scoring window.
I agree. But it’s not the easy win you were claiming a few posts ago, and you know, sometimes Noise will just win by throwing 5-7 points in the bin. He’s the only runner that gets free accesses for setting up.
If noise get 5-7 pts just by milling randomly you would probably have lost whatever you do anyway. But it would be the case for any corp in this kind of scenario.
But so does a 5 pts opening for Kate if she play an indexing turn 1 or an agenda scored on R&D followed by a siphon against Leela. It sucks when it happens but it shouldnt be considered as the base line on how you should play the match-up.
It’s not too dissimilar from the Corp being able to create literally the best remote he can think of before you’re set up. But I take your point.
To be fair noise is really slow to setup anyway. And NEH draw way more than faster than the other corp.
Also DBS who serve both as slowing down the runner tempo and accelerate how fast you find your own piece.
Also double Eli / Eli + Architect / Gutenberg + Eli are really strong against noise. Even putting a pop-up to protect a NAPD is good against Noise early on.
Nah, it’s probably 70-30 NEH favoured. With a 3 Wraparound/Biotic/CVS build it’s pretty much unwinnable.
Incidentally that’s what I’m playing right now. Also Lotus field.
@tomdidiot i agree and at the same time i don’t. a 7 stregnth ETR wormhole is still formidable, and with blacklist and Nebulas on the board sharpshooter can be sometimes nullified and a window can open. Also if they throw down an SMC turn 1 then they are not going to use it to pull out a “Lady”, and if they do cool. I dont just purely fast advance stuff out, clot just makes FA much more balanced as i crowbar windows open, or try and score agendas in remotes to bait out the popping of SMC. And if they dont find the SMC and they want to dig for a clot/smc/clonechip again cool, because if they are trying to stop me winning then they arnt trying to win themselves. Its a fun dance, and i mostly play the deck because of these headgames. (installing an NAPD on an unrezzed SanSan to bait out the clot is a fav of mine).
My favourite trick playing against Wormhole is to parasite down all the ETR ice. 
Go ahead. Resolve your pop-up window!
Lotus field Added to list 
Is sac construct + clot changing any minds? I know I’ve taken down more NBN decks with this (and fester) than I ever did with just a splash of clot. It uses less recursion, can’t be played around with suite, and can create a multi turn lock situation where you need to spend several turns hitting the button to actually clear the lock. With fester, that often means bankrupting yourself in the process. Clone chip+Clot can be played around. Seems much harder to play around sac construct. Add in clone chip and it’s a whole lot worse. Finding space for the sac construct is an obvious problem, but aespos and scherezade both provide utility; and against grail decks it might even save a breaker early.
There’s still a limited supply of clots… which is what NBN has to bank on, but this lock seems stronger.