Does your deck still pack enough punching speed to beat the rush, too? I’m trying a making news deck with ash/herrings and cheap taxers with fast economy and I’m liking it so far. A similar deck at our last tournament was able to leave clot on the field the whole game rushing NAPDs through a remote.
Yar, Typically don’t even pay for breakers with scherezade+sahasara; aesops & armitage for burst. Atman for those 4 strength things people who aren’t you run. 
Kati to really cash in on long wait periods and beat those traces.
I hav’nt played against a sac-construct clot deck yet but i can imagine that puts a full stop to the CVS play, which is tough. and sac construct - clot give you 2 free turns, that’s pretty insane. I think if i saw that i would switch up tactics and create a space remote and score out the best i could. For me if i saw sac construct and clot out on the board i think i would just give up on FA and rely on my ice suit to keep you out. Where are you playing this out of? ive just stuck 3 SC in my kate deck to test it out. Knowing how to play from the other side though i can already see it will be strong.
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Exactly. There’s no way the corp can afford to purge 2 or even 3 times. If SacConstruct/Clot is down and you purge then SC away, the runner can probably just install another SC next turn. So no need to splash for Fester I guess.
The issue is that the card does absolutely nothing against any matchup that isn’t NEH, and you don’t even want to draw it a lot of the time. It doesn’t stop NEH on its own, it needs specific support to be good. I’m not convinced, and I’m not sure you even need it.
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You can sell it to Aesop man
It must be good if Aesop will give us three whole credits for it
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I don’t think it’s really needed. Clot slow down a bit the corp (finding/installing blacklist/CVS and stuff) and it’s enough most of the time to have a shot (at least in a shaper deck).
I’m more in the “create a remote” side of the conversation.
hmmm makes face check on Grail a little less painfull i guess. But without Asops, its pretty dead
Snark noted, was that necessary?
When you’re running all your programs on scherezade, it’s a bit of safety; but otherwise, yes you’d need to find another reason to run the card. The only other deck I’d run it in, is one that was relying on multiple faeries as a sentry solution. Aesops does not make a card good, but it makes a conditional card tolerable in the instances where you don’t need it; especially when installing it is riding on another action anyways. Not here to convert anyone; don’t play it, it will hurt your deck for other match ups.
Taking easily the most powerful corp to an 80-20 matchup in your favor is worth a card that’s meh in some other matchups imo.
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I’ve asked this before in this thread and after playing a bunch of NEH fast advance again (not tried the space ice version yet I must admit) I’m forced to ask again:
What do you do against a Kate/clot player that eschews central accesses, doesn’t trash sansans, keeps an SMC on the table and checks every remote?
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Make him use smc?
Sometimes the clot is in hand if the game goes long enough and the smc won’t actually do anything. Ideally, I think what you’re looking for is to get the clot out once, get it into the bin, and then blacklist it.
I find myself bluffing the smc for extra turns when it wouldn’t actually help. But the corp can never tell for sure. 
Mind Games ^TM Tounge->cheek
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That’s the obvious answer.
What ice are you packing that you can install, res, burn through SMC, keep enough of a credit pool to fast advance out an astro and still get there faster than the corp can put a clone chip down?
From what I’ve seen, if Kate plays this game correctly corp is left with one option for getting that first astro out. Rush and pray.
My experience against NEH with Kate is that you don’t really care about letting an agenda slip out early on and that you could usually let the corp score 4 points before using your clot. The 3rd agenda is the most important one and the one you really don’t want the corp to score.
Also, experienced NBN players will usually use either NAPD/Breaking News/Beale as a bait for your clot. Don’t fall for it and go steal the agenda on the board / trash the sansan right instead of pulling out your clot.
In fact, you shouldn’t see your clot as a direct counter to their FA strategy but as a huge speedbump in a critical timing window.
Using Clot everytime the corp is trying to score will be more detrimental to you as a runner than using it once or twice at the right timing. You shouldn’t let clot dictate your own gameplan (setting up fast and make huge quality run asap).
In some way, it’s the same thing as letting an anarch get an entire turn of medium run : it sucks to let an astro slip through early on but you shouldn’t gimp yourself as a runner just by pulling a SMC => clot if you don’t have the board position to exploit it.
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What You say for some NBN control>
I am playing some games in shl and it works quite nice.
Real economic warfare, and its not fa which is fun factor 
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Sweet deck! Although it’s gotta have at least one Gutenberg, no? That ice has been great when I had it rezzed. As long as they’re not floating tags.
I have been playing around with various deckbuilds along these lines, but I feel like without heavy tag punishment the runner rarely needs to worry about tags, and there’s not enough deckspace to play agendas, econ, tag punishment, and a tagging package alongside essential ICE.
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Two Closed Accts is actually pretty good threat enough, along with the threat of having your resources trashed. Psycho is good too for when they say F it and go tag-me. They do need to print more econ, ice, and agendas that interact with tagging the runner, I agree.
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I guess my point is that it hasn’t been enough, since you can’t go fetch the 1xPsycho reliably when it would be helpful :). 2xClosed can be punishing, but it’s only a punishment if the deck can capitalize on the runner’s relative, one-time poverty. Which I have not found a build that can do and do all the other things, since the servers are quite porous.
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