Bringo.
I can see at least 3-4 standardized NEH FA decks right now.
Triple biotic with gearcheck, draw and low econ.
Team Sponsorship + archer with 2 biotic.
Team Sponsorship + Turtleback with 1 biotic.
Triple eli / double architect / double booth with 2 biotic.
Iāve been trying to fit multiple ProPla in NEH FA and it always got cut because it doesnāt provide immediate econ when you draw it. Would play 1-2 if I had the deckslot for it.
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That play was well worth the Astro counter it cost.
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Ultimately the game winning play.
My 2nd favorite moment of the game was you Fast-tracking Astro which I then sniped. #Feelsgoodtobeagangster
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Pup costs 1 credit and the runner loses 2. Eli costs 3 and the runner bounces.
In a very short game, Pup is better. The rushier your deck is, the more likely it is that you want Pup.
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Are you talking about having it on centrals or remotes? Surely you want to keep them out of your remote with a sansan or agenda hiding in it rather than simply having them take 2 net and keep going.
I get that pup is great tax for its cost and that if you are playing fast that tax is very efficient, but my assumption is that you also do want to keep the runner out in a short game.
Eli has won me plenty of games as NEH just by putting 2x on RnD and being a total ballache for the runner.
(None of this is to say that I think pup is bad in any way, Iām just struggling to see why it is preferable).
Solution : 0 pup and 0 Eli.
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Iāve found that good runners will general split the cost of Pup pretty evenly between credits and cards over the course of a game, based on whatās best for them at the time, at least when you play it in a deck that lacks the flatline finish. RP can get away with it cause it also plays Tsurugi and the runner has to at least acknowledge that Snare is a possibility since they are in fact playing Jinteki. Some wierdos even oblige the normal RP builds by making net damage RP decks forcing everyone to think twice about taking net damage. Funny enough, seeing influence spent on pup in NEH is generally a big clue that it isnāt a flatline deck so Iāve found pup there to be pretty insubstantial ICE and an underwhelming use of influence. Is Eli better? Against a Kate heavy meta, no, but against crim and anarch Iād say it is a lot better.
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I think the inf is better spent on lotus field, its unparasite-able and only some people are playing cy-cy, so it leverages roughly the same tax eli used to vs corroder, only better against zu. And with Turtles, the +2 rez isnāt so bad.
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Sometimes I wonder if Iām playing the same game.
If I spend more than 7ish credits rezzing ice in an NEH game Iām very sad. My ideal amount to spend is 0 (or less!). Pup is good because it costs 1, and Iām unwilling to pay more than that for an R&D taxer. Their long-run approach to it (cards vs. credits) is irrelevant. The game should be over fast.
You can certainly win with NEH by taxing the runner out, but Iād rather just not let them play at all.
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Not doable against Kate.
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Def. not.
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How do you not get Medium rolled every game if youāre just slapping a Pup on RND? All the Fast Tracks in the World wonāt save you.
If you listen to @Calimsha, itās because Iām obscenely lucky. 
IDK man, you stuff them with a binary at the right moment and then win I guess? Sometimes I lose to Medium, but so does any NEH. Itās harder for me to slow it down, but they also get less time to get it going.
In a meta dominated by kate and anarch, or more accurately āshaper-bullshitā and faust, I canāt see how any binary gear checks are stopping a lock outside of the very early game.
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same. PP is so good but canāt fit it into what I play either. Iād play it over turtlebacks if I was playing a TS deck probably.
When I was testing Team Sponsorship decks, Special Offer seemed really good at adding another reliable econ option that enabled having some higher cost ice or an earlier SanSan rez. As far as counters, Faust ditches two cards to it and Atman at 3 sucks. It also has the added benefit of being a Sponsorship target and bluffing as an Architect early.
However, I donāt see it in any versions of this deck. Iād be interested to hear why this card isnāt worth at least a slot.
I tried SO out a bit, but I didnāt want to ditch Sweeps/Hedge to slot it in because SO isnāt very reliable (they might not run where you put it), also itās not very good if you want to have 2 ice on the same server (because of the install cost). I agree that it could be good with TS, but if you have Turtlebacks, youād rather install more assets as thatāll get you some of the money + the benefit from those assets. If you donāt have Turtlebacks, you probably want to get those back with TS. 
Yeah, I wouldnāt drop Sweeps or Hedge for it. It does install for 0 off of Team Sponsorship and you can slap it on the highest threat server. Scoring something off a Sansan server and recurring SO on top of that server is pretty brutal if they donāt have an AI breaker out.
Perhaps NBN just doesnāt need extra dollars these days.