Oh now that is an interesting valuation puzzle. I love it.
Fingers crossed for a full 15 influence!
Iām not sorry.
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Siphon. Successful run, do you want to let me take siphon or siphon into hand?
Same old thing or same old thing? En Passant or Emergency. Oh and hereās the other one you didnāt pick that I had in hand. GG.
Steve-oās title is āMaster Grifterā ā¦ so obviously he is mostly intended to work with the āGrifterā criminal resource. Seems legit.
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When did Events go to the Heap again?
If I play Account Siphon as Steve, can I choose that same siphon as a card for recursion, or do I have to have another copy in the heap to benefit from Steveās ability?
(Not that the Corp would give me the siphon if I only had oneā¦)
Thatās 5 syphons and 5 sot a game ;/
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Events go to the heap when they are done resolving. For Siphon, this means when the run is over. Which means it isnāt in the Heap when Steve triggers. (Also, lol, I love that they named someone āSteveā and it looks like heāll actually be Pretty Good.)
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I thought it was like that.
Iām not really sold on Steve. Only thing I can come up with for him is lots of Siphon recursion, but he probably needs an AI for thatā¦
Yeah but 5x Emergency Shutdown, 5x Syphon, 5x SoT, 5x Temujin a deck, still.
What about a lawyer up after a syphon ?
Oh man, he seems to be super strong !
5 Clone Chips or 5 Parasites, 5 Faeriesā¦
Is this the case? āMake a runā refers to the initialization of a run on a given server, as far as I understood it (see this conversation that seems relevant to me).
If thatās the case, wouldnāt the run initiate when evaluating āmake a runā, satisfying the card and allowing it to trash?
i wouldnāt think so because the card describes things occurring after the run (successful run, replacing access, taking tags).
I mean, that could technically be correct, but then you could still say Siphon is fully resolved after a āsuccessful runā occurs (which would potentially be before Steve, since you choose order).
If āmake a runā doesnāt refer to the entire duration of the run, then it works with Steve Iām pretty sure. If it does, then I think there might be indiscrepancies in the linked conversation (unsure though; would have to reread it and evaluate).
Actually thinking about it a little more, Siphon has to fire first due to it being a constant effect (if successful), but it also wouldnāt finish evaluating until getting to the access phase, so it might be the case that Steve fires before Siphon fully resolves.
Though, also not certain it couldnāt be the case that Siphon leaves a floating āif successfulā ability and is considered resolved. I have a feeling that thereās past-precedent on this issue, but canāt recall it off hand (too many rules to keep track ofā¦).
Regardless, can we take a moment to appreciate the fact that āifā specifically denotes a constant ability (and not a conditional)? Truly, the most intuitive of things.
/ruleslawyerrant
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The way it makes sense is that constant effects are those that do not reference time (āwhenā, āthe first timeā). Because thatās what a constant is.
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Syphon is an event and not a current. Itās discarded right after all effects on it have been played, like all events but currents.
Rules p.11
"Events represent singular occurrences and are always trashed after being played." + the Ā§ after this. The conditionnal on it is done the same time as Steve, the runner choose which one goes first.
My counter-argument is such:
Cold Read
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The conditionnal on it is done the same time as Steve, the runner choose which one goes first.
Siphon sets up a constant ability, while Steve is conditional; Siphon occurs first without choice, because constant > conditional.
From link: An event that initiates a run is a special case, and is not trashed until the run itself is completed.
Alright thatās that; canāt use Steve with Siphon.
If, uh, anyone wants to debate pedantry further, Iāll be in my cave located next to the rules clarification threadā¦ we do taco Tuesdaysā¦ itās generally a pretty wild time.
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