I’m personally having a hard time with Geist builds because I know Mumbad has so much stuff, that I’m not even sure of what to play with right now. I firmly believe a solid Geist build maybe 3 months from now is going to look nothing like our current iteration.
I don’t think @linuxmaier’s siphon spam Geist is going anywhere (except maybe out of Andy with Rebirth, though maybe not). I think there will be alternatives.
I think Forger is a good card except it says console. It’s not good enough to be a console.
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Yeah, I think Pol Op will be OK in your shell and amazing in mine.
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@CodeMarvelous and I did a deck build and play. Tried v. Foodcoats with first turn Crisium on HQ, and TeamSpon x3. Worst case.
However, some kid took it to a GNK and went undefeated.
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I think Apocalypse is going to get a lot better once we have more tools to kill caprice and crisium
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Councilman isn’t obvious Geist tech, but might be more relevant against these things, as well as CVS! And still works with Crisium.
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Councilman is a great card too, but not particularly better in Geist than anywhere else. I think I’d prefer Political Operative in Geist just because the things Councilman is better against (Sansan, Jackson returning cards from Archives, CVS) aren’t Geist’s biggest weaknesses, whereas Political Operative gets him a draw and hoses Crisium and Caprice no matter where they are, and Ash too if that matters. I don’t think there’s room for both and I suspect Political Operative is going to be the better option in most Geist builds.
The deck was originally out of Andy so that’s not a crazy idea, but I sort of think it’d be better to go one way or another rather than build for a card that won’t show up by mid-game as often as not. Crescentus, Clone Chip and Street Peddler, for example, are way better in Geist than they are in Andy and if your Rebirth doesn’t show up early then you’re losing a lot of value on those cards, even if you’re gaining speed in setup (which is valuable!) I think the Andy build would want to run John Masanori and Sec Testing in order to keep momentum after the strong start.
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Unless they’re rezzed on HQ before you install it. Then you’re still screwed!
I forgot about the “install after run on HQ” restriction! That definitely changes the dynamic. Hm, I’m not sure which I’d prefer, then.
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Yeah, I chocked a bit on that when I read it.
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I mean, if your build runs HQI then you can still profitably run HQ after the Crisium goes down and trash it if they get their Crisium before you get your operative, but that’s a much worse deal than being able to play it just before your Siphon. And Caprice becomes much more worrisome against Operative than Councilman.
Problem is, Councilman is just so much worse against Crisium since you have to pay the rez and the trash cost 
EDIT: On the plus side for Political Operative, almost no one rezzes ICE against HQ runs turn 1 so if you play three and see it early, you should be able to get the install pretty easy.
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Sometimes I feel like due to their hegemony in the first couple years of the game, the designers always make sure to include hard counters and caveats for criminal tech. In this way they keep them from retaking the throne of consistency.
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all the crisium coming back into the meta from DLR certainly makes me feel like currently geist is just completely unplayable at the moment, and when it becomes playable it’s going to have to do it without going tag me siphon
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guess we just need to start using some Feints. i’m already running HQI over Legwork…
The decks doing that are pretty susceptible to Sneakdoor, if you want to tech against it. That card is pretty good. That said, I’ll believe the Crisium wave when I see it. Most of the anti-DLR tech I’ve seen lately has to do with All-Seeing I or Freelancer, and both those cards are dead against tag-me Geist.
would love to live where you playin then :< crisium buys plenty of time for corps to score through DLR, if you haven’t seen enough of it i feel like you will soon enough.
Mostly in Foodcoats, or are people putting it into NBN and RP?
mostly in foodcoats but after worlds you haven’t seen that deck everywhere?
Honestly, Geist probably isn’t the best deck to play against foodcoats - I suspect Andy fares better.
Because she can lay the pressure on earlier?